LIVE CHAT with Tiesda You
All questions now answered by Tiesda…
Name: Tiesda You
Country: France
Residence: Thailand
Company: Starboard
Role: Brand Manager / Designer
Current favourite equipment set up: Starboard UltraSonic 147 Carbon with Severne Turbo 8.6
Current favourite windsurfing spot: Sprecks, Maui
Last windsurfing session: During the photoshoot in April 2012 on Maui
Windsurfing hero: Jim Drake
Perfect day on the water: This would be at Taco Lake, the conditions would be a steady 22 knots and glassy, peeling waves and I would be with friends and family.
Three things you didn’t know about Tiesda:
1) Keen golfer
2) Shisha addict
3) Owns an electric bike









Hey Tiesda, do you think its a disadvantage not being based in Maui when it comes to shaping?
Hi Ripper,
On the contrary, I think that being based on Maui is a disadvantage. Studying engineering in London, learning hydrodynamic theories, material science, maths mechanics, travelling the world, seeing light wind places and the emergence of new markets, seeing the vast scope of windsurfers from wave heads to newbie paddleboards who’ve fallen in love with windsupping, living with Formula racers who get 7 knots max in a year… This opens you up to a big world of windsurfing, much bigger than what you could possibly imagine by being based on Maui.
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Hi Tiseda- chose to answer this one or not, but would be interesting to hear your opinion…
There is a view held by many consumers that if windsurfing continues to go the way it always has, with the brands working continually on improving tried and tested board ranges… to make them that ‘little bit better’ every year (just desirable enough to want a new one) but at the same time inevitably getting more and more expensive, the reality is that fewer and fewer people will be able to afford to keep windsurfing?
Ultimately it looks like windsurfing brands are shooting themselves in the foot, as already, many people just cannot afford brand new boards. Also with the continual ‘turnover’ of new shapes, last years ‘latest hot shape board’ becomes out of date quicker, immediately lose value.
The results is boards become available for less money as ‘clearance’ products – so people then buy them… and now are just waiting for slightly dated equipment to become available, or buy from a shop who got the new stock in, and finds they have to sell it at no profit in order to get it out of the shop, because no-one can buy at full retail.
Where does it end?
Surely this effects all the brands.. as slowly the shops go out of business.. and slowly the brands have less places to keep the windsurfing stoke alive…
Should the brands (and I mean ALL brands ) spend their time concentrating on finding ways to make boards and sails with bigger range, that dont go out of date (by being replaced with a newer model) and most importantly at a better price?
It would be interetsing to hear your thoughts as the brand manager of the biggest brand on where you think things are going?
Thanks !
Hi Keep it simple,
You raise some very important points in your question. I’ll try to reply as best as I can, but bear with me because it’s 4am here!
Firstly, I believe that the symptoms you describe are mostly symptoms of a contracting market. If the market was growing, those same symptoms would gradually fade away. If you look at the growing SUP market, for example, they have even more products and even more brand saturation than windsurfing. However, because demand continues to grow, boards are sold at full prices; new brands continue to pop up, even new factories.
Brands, assuming fair and free trade, are as much a reflection of the market as they are a reflection of the individuals within the brand. Therefore, a large part of a brand is a reflection of the consumer’s wants and needs. iPads, TVs and cars are also renewed day in day out, in man’s quest for progress. Markets can expand and contract, prices can go up and down, but the reason for these tidal changes in market isn’t due to product updates and incremental improvements, in my opinion. I believe that the source of these changes is more macro in scale.
My lead theory for the contracting of the windsurfing market is due to the missing “Friends and Family connect effect”. The theory came to me after reading up on the book ‘Blue Ocean Strategy’, then inverting the basis of the book somewhat.
Consider the way an infectious virus spreads: it goes from you to the people close to you. Windsurfing also spreads best in this way. If you survey enough windsurfers, say ten, you’ll see that the majority got into windsurfing through friends and family. Probably between six and eight of the ten people you surveyed. I got into windsurfing because my Dad taught me. He got into windsurfing because his friend taught him. What about yourself?
Back in the days, the equipment we windsurfers used on a weekly basis was easy enough to teach your friend and family. So it was easier to infect and spread the windsurfing virus.
As we switched to smaller boards, it became more difficult to share our passion for windsurfing. There’s no way anyone will learn windsurfing on my Kode 72. Or your favourite board, I’m sure. The same goes for the hundreds of thousands of windsurfers out every weekend. Our tiny gear will not bring in new windsurfers. So slowly but surely, the virus loses its ability to spread.
Today, with the return of longboards and lightwind windsurfing through this new sport I like to call ‘Wind-powered SUP’, or Windsupping for short, we are at the stage where the trend is reversing. I just completed a forecast presentation where I plan for 48% of our sales will be windsupping boards by 2015. Assuming that the other sales have remained somewhat stable, this means that the windsurfing market will have doubled.
For the sheer love of windsurfing and the desire to share a good time, I’m teaching my friends and family windsupping on the weekends. So are other windsuppers. If shops, magazines, internet sites, windsurfers were to embrace windsupping, we would re-connect the Friends and Family effect.
Hi!
As I see the new Evo’s are convertible. You can use them in single and in twinzer mode. It reminds me a bit of the swiss army knife. Good for everything but not really good.
Are the number of the fins influences the shape of the board (outline, and the bottom)? If yes, how can you design the shape for single and multi fin setups too?
Hi Balint,
I wouldn’t say a Swiss Army knife, more of a soft-top convertible car. What I mean is that you can design a board to work 100% in the twin fin mode, and just add the single fin for those who want to ride extra fast in a straight line in high wind conditions – Hood River riders for example, and also a lot of UK South Coast sailors and some Canaries windsurfing centres. It’s an extra that many appreciate.
In the convertible car analogy, you’d normally always ride the car with the top down because hey, it’s a convertible. But there’s no problem to add a lightweight soft-top roof since many people may want to drive the same car when it rains. As long as the soft top is light enough and doesn’t ruin the open-top experience.
The number of fins does influence the shape, but to a smaller extent than one would first imagine. It’s more accurate to see it this way: any fin set up (quad, thruster, twin and single) works on any half-decent shape, but once you’ve picked your favourite fin set up, you can get an extra 10% juice by further refining the shape around the chosen fin set up.
Tiesda – do you have any “secret” windsurfing spots near Thailand or China when you are not in Maui?
Hi Steve,
I wish! Unfortunately, there are no amazing windy spots with great waves around here. Fortunately, I get to travel to the best places and we have a cable ski wakeboard park here at the lake where I can get a quick planing fix. If I want to go for a quick windsurfing getaway, Mui Ne Vietnam is an excellent place.
Hi Steve,
I wish! Unfortunately, there are no amazing windy spots with great waves around here. Fortunately, I get to travel to the best places and we have a cable ski wakeboard park here at the lake where I can get a quick planing fix. If I want to go for a quick windsurfing getaway, Mui Ne Vietnam is an excellent place.
Hi Tiesda, sounds like twins are still very relevant if you guys are making a Kode twin fin… Are twins here to stay? Have you experimented with tri fins?
Hi Southern Surf,
Our riders and the opinions we receive are strongly gravitating towards twin. We’ve played around with thrusters but as you will see, we prefer to stick to twins, twin convertibles and quads. We’re still playing around with thrusters but until we find something super sweet, there’s no real need to make a thruster just for the sake of it. The key test guys for me are Scott McKercher, Dany Bruch and Philip Koster.
Hi Guys, keep them coming. Anything Tiesda doesn’t answer right away will still get answered!
Hi Tiesda, what do you think is the future for multi fin wave boards? what will be next?
Tricky question. When I work with our team riders, the majority are clearly liking twin fins the most. Philip Koster, Dany Bruch, Ben Severne etc. There’s an overlap with Quads where Philip and Dany also like quad fin set ups in specific conditions, and a powerful surfer like Scott McKercher will almost always be on Quads. Antoine Lefvre, a colleauge here at Starboard, is a big fan of the Quads too. The only single fin person I know is Kevin Pritchard. Boujmaa is most versatile, switching from quad to twin to thruster. But never single and mostly twins, to be honest.
Looking at the current trend, I’d dare to say that multi fins will stay, but I’ve probably just jinxed that now.
Hi Tiesda, board prices keep getting more and more expensive. Is some of this down to the fact that Cobra have a monopoly? Do we have any chance of seeing board prices coming down again in the future or are they just going to keep creeping up? What about some real cheap construction options on some of the boards for those who dont mind sacrificing a bit of performance for price?
Hi Rushman,
The virtual monopoly is a relatively minor factor. To be fair to Cobra, they’ve managed their position well and always have windsurfing’s interest in their heart. The main reason for the price increases over the last few years have been petrol prices and the weakening Euro and Sterling compared to the Thai baht. The exchange rate EUR-THB used to run around 47-49 and now it’s down to 40. That’s 20% in exchange rate alone. If the Eurozone and the UK could bounce back, a price decrease could very well happen.
As for technology options, the strange thing is that the top technology options still sell the most – more than their lower-priced siblings. We used to have more price point segments (e.g. Technora) but the sales have dropped so much, and with the pressure to reduce our board range (see comments further down below), we even had to take them out from our offering to simplify our range. We still have a lot of price point offerings of course: the Carve Tufskins for example or the SUPers or the Kode Technoras.
At the end of the day, we’re trying to achieve the best balance we can, on a yearly basis, between a solid range of excellent products, covering a wide range of tastes and budgets, while still keeping the whole collection simple enough yet still as innovative as possible.
Out of all the boards you have ever sailed which ones would you say were your favourites?
Hi Paul,
For the sheer fun and exhilaration, it would have to be the upcoming Koster Kode 72. It brings me back that special joy of windsurfing that makes you a windsurfer for life. It’s the same joy that you have the first time you get planing in the straps and harness. I still smile when I think about the last session on that board.
From a designer’s satisfaction angle, it would be the very first Serenity prototype, a couple of years ago. You kind of feel like Colombus or Thomas Edison – you get this incredible buzz of inventing something truly new and you get to say, “It works! it works!”
Hi Tiesda
Do you still get to freesail much or is most of your sailing built around R and D now?
80% R&D and 20% freesail.. I have a trip to Bali at the end of this month though. Scored a free ticket from a raffle! So I’ll get to balance it out again. During that long weekend, it’ll be 100% freesail!
Hi Tiesda,
Just wondering how did you initially get into the design industry of windsurfing?
And what advise would you give to someone who is eager to pursue that path?
Kind Regards.
Hi Fabian,
My best advice is to try to get an internship. That’s your foot in the door and if you click with the company and the company clicks with you, your career would naturally evolve from there. There’s also a big boom in SUP these days, so there could be more open doors with SUP. Once you’re there, you can eventually work your way back to the windsurfing side – the SUP industry is joined by the hip to many other industries like surf, kayaking and windsurfing.
Hey Tiesda
You must of been able to travel to some amazing locations all around the world. Of which would you say is a must see?
And where has found a place in your heart for being special?
The west coast of Australia is pretty much as good a windsurfer’s destination as it can be. Fresh, clean waters, windy, beautiful waves. It’s stunning. Maui has a bit too much of a saturated feel. There are some nice remote locations too, but you’d need to be a pretty hardcore traveller to fully appreciate the far flung destinations. South Africa is a wonderful place too. A bit more of a European touch – so ok, maybe South Africa would top my list.
Hi Tiesda,
A couple of questions:
what boards do you use mostly yourself?
Out of all your riders, who is the most involved with the r and d?
I use quite broad range. In Maui last month, I used the upcoming new Kode 72 twin wave board (Koster Kode). Love that board. I also used the Kode 113 but that was for testing purposes. In Thailand, I use the UltraSonic the most because nothing else comes close. Futuras are great but it’s still more of a BMW 5 series. The iSonics are like Ferraris and the UltraSonic is like the supped-up custom Ferrari with plush leather seats. I just bought a new quiver of Severne sails, two NCXs and a Turbo 8.6, and I have a Carve 131 sample too. My girlfriend and I windsup often, so we have a SUPer rig sail to share between the two of us, and a SUPer 10. That’s for the lightwind days, those calm, easy weekends on the beach. I also have two windsurfing cats moored outside my house – one is the small, maneuverable cat you might have seen in the 2011 catalogue, the other is a black racing cat prototype that glides like crazy. Lots of toys, that’s for sure!
Hi Tiesda,
do you think RS:X for the olympics was the best decision, or if a different brand/concept had been chosen do you think we would be in this situation now?
Well, the whole Olympic thing has so many angles to it, with so many vested interests from so many parties. It’s pretty hard to see the wood from the trees. In these kind of situations, I like to go back to fundamentals. Windsurfing’s planing aspect is a key to its popularity. We were unable to guarantee that in the Olympics but kiteboarding seems to promise it. Had we done it first, we could have had a better chance, because fundamentally, I believe that planing is what people wanted to see. This is just my best guess. I really haven’t figured out where to go next. Formula? UltraSonic? Raceboards? Bid for 2020?
Starboard produce a lot of boards in their range. Do you not think that by offering less choice and working instead on giving a smaller range of boards better range, buyers would have an easier choice and feel more like they have invested in the ‘right’ board?
Hi Dave, a good question and often asked. If you look at the 2009-2011 range, it appears to be big but it only looked like it because we had a lot of niche products – such as the Serenity and the K15. The core models were actually on par with other brands. If you look at the overview of our 2012 range, or the back page of our 2012 catalogue, it’s been streamlined quite a lot. It’s quite a simple range today. We focused a lot of the R&D into the core ranges, and stripped away the Serenity, the Atom, the K15 and the Cats, as well as several technology options. While it is now back to a simpler range, due to market pressure, today, I wonder, who will be willing to make investments into R&D that are outside the box? I often lose sleep wondering if we could still do some magic with windsurfing and find the next spark! At the end of the day, it’s a question of timing and balance, isn’t it?
Hey Tiesda, big news with windsurfing being replaced by Kitesurfing for the 2016 games. Were you surprised at the decision and do you think it will make a big difference top windsurfing as a sport?
Big news indeed. To be honest, I’m still trying to figure it out. I mean, the consequences, the roadmap that we windsurfers need to adjust to in terms of keeping our sport ticking and hopefully growing. The way I see it right now is that we simply lost to the competition (i.e. our sport vs other sports). Agendas aside, I guess the core reason we lost our spot was because the Olympics are keen to refresh their image – they too need to compete against their competitors such as X-Games, Premiere League, World Cups and so on. So naturally, the market tells them that they need to gravitate towards more impressive and fresh sports. Unfortuntately, we weren’t able to offer a 100% planing, visually impressive windsurfing class, so the door was open for kiteboarding to take that spot. Where do we go from here? I’m not quite sure.
Hello everyone!
Hi Tiesda
Could you see a place for Hypersonic concept/shape coming back? And why do you feel the Atom concept hasn’t been as successful as you had probably hoped?
Hi Guys, Tiesda will be online at 8pm (UK time) tonight, that’s in 45 minutes
Thanks Amy, for the opportunity. This is quite a novel concept, this LiveChat thing. Wonderful idea.
Hi Tiesda
Freestyle boards are wide, easy, fast and nervous, and very fun.
Very simple in fact and with ultra short fin’s.
Aren’t they tomorrows real “free” boards?
I agree! To be honest, I didn’t work on the Flare 2012 – it was the brainchild of Taty Frans and Sven Akerboom. The tests and general feedback was amazing, so I took it for a spin. It blew my mind. Both the Flare 101 and 111. When I worked on the 2013 Kodes, I tried to bring a lot of elements from the Flare. Some were 80% Flares, others where just 20% Flares… I tried a whole range of fusions but the result is still inconclusive. Basically, in lighter winds, the Flare-inspired shapes worked very well, but in higher winds and more right conditions, the original shapes worked better. I just finished re-testing with a larger test panel in Maui, during our photoshoot, and people preferred the original shape 6 vs. 2. So in the end, the 2013 Kode 86/94/103 will remain the same shape as 2012, albeit with some pad thickness adjustment.
Hi Tiesda Could you tell me if the under water shape and design of the 2012 evo 71 is different from the 2011?
Yes – the main change is extra ‘continuous’ tail kick and the vee in the tail. It used to be a monoconcave and less kick in the tail – that was good for drive and power, but the Evo needed to be looser and easier to turn.
Hi Tiesda
Thank you for your reply. This is good news for me,as adding more tail kick gives more control normally on those real windy days. Thank you again and keep up the good work. Best regards to all at Starboard
Hi, what is the “wildest” R&d-idea that you have binned?
Hi T. Stensland. Wildest idea.. Well, the most recent one comes to mind. It’s a new foil system. It half works. Lifts you out of the water nicely, but it was too hard to level out. So the foil would break the water surface and you’d lose all control. In the bin it went. Well, more on to the back burner for now.